Reorganization CFV

Date: 10 Nov 1993 15:25:54 -0500
From: Jay Maynard 
Subject: CFV: reorganization
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups,news.groups,,,,rec.aviation.misc,sci.geo.geology,sci.geo.meteorology,alt.sci.planetary,sci.astro,sci.astro.planetarium,

                      1st CALL FOR VOTES (of 2)
Reorganization of
a) remove, replace with:          moderated
b) newgroup       moderated
c) rename to:        
Newsgroups lines:          Technical and general issues related to space flight.       Space and planetary science and related technical work.        Discussions about space policy.

Votes must be recieved by 23:59:59 GMT, 2 December 1993.

This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party.  For voting questions
only, contact Jay Maynard, For questions about
the proposed groups, contact the proposer, George William Herbert, (alternate 


This is a reorganization of the Usenet space-related newsgroups. It includes
splitting, renaming of, and drawing
alt.sci.planetary in as an official sci group (part of 
The original group will be removed as part of the first vote
(rmgroup, newgroup  The existing newsgroups and are unaffected by this reorganization. (moderated, moderator George William Herbert)
        Technical issues and directly related policy issues on all 
        aspects of space flight; space launch vehicles present, past,
        proposed, and propulsion (including poorly or undeveloped 
        methods such as ion, solar sail, laser-sail, antimatter,
        etc); space station design, engineering, operations, and goals;
        and any other types of spacecraft technology, engineering,
        operations, and related topics.  Technical issues involved in
        developing space resources, colonization of space, etc.
        Technical, costing, and directly related policy decisions
        will also be appropriate.  Questions about space technology,
        operations, engineering, etc. are all appropriate, at any level. (moderated, moderators gwh and Steve Willner)
        For discussing planetary and non-planetary space science;
        including technical issues in planetary science, planetary
        science space missions, techniques, goals, and information
        about the planets themselves, space astronomy, physics,
        space science in general, stellar science (ours and others), etc.
        Questions about space science, the planets, etc.
        The primary emphasis is on doing science in or about space;
        sci.astro remains the appropriate group for astronomy per se. (unmoderated)
        Policy issues not directly related to technical issues in
        any space field, including government policies, budget priorities,
        mission type priorities, goals of space programs, the role of
        governments and space agencies in developing space, etc.
        Any discussions on technical issues where person feel
        the moderated groups are not giving full range of expression
        are also appropriate.

The moderated groups shall have a policy of merely redirecting
to .policy rather than outright rejecting inappropriate articles.
The moderators may contact the poster and ask them if they would
prefer to rewrite a borderline article rather than simply redirect
it, at their discretion, but the author may insist on having the
article posted as-is to  

All three groups will be gatewayed to the Space Digest mailing list,
as is now.  

As mentioned in the charters, and are both
moderated. The primary moderator for both groups is George William Herbert, The secondary moderator for is Steve

Actual moderation address is to be determined. Work is in progress on setting
up a moderation software assistance installation, so the address to mail
postings to will be announced along with the results should either moderated
group pass.

This CFV is being posted to the and mailing lists.

Special Note:
The original RFD included quite a long list of groups, six new groups as
opposed to the three proposed here.  The proposal here is based on a consensus
of discussions in the RFD period. 

You should send MAIL (posts to a group are invalid) to
(just replying by MAIL to this message should work).  I will send mail
acknowledgements for votes that I receive.  If you receive a correct ack, your
vote has been received.  If you do not receive an ack after several days, you
need to vote again. 
USE THE FORM AS IT IS.  Otherwise your vote may be rejected.  Do not delete
anything between the "-=-=-=-=-" lines - and most certainly do not monkey with
the group names. Please delete everything but the ballot itself, though; I
don't need another copy of the full CFV. You may _NOT_ do a combined vote -
i.e., "I vote for all of them" or "I vote against all of them." 
For each group, simply add your vote between the brackets on the same line. 
Recognized votes are Yes, No and Abstain.  Capitalization is not important. If
you don't want to vote on a particular group, just leave the space blank. 
Don't worry about spacing of the columns or any quote characters ">" that your
reply inserts. 
Anything else may be rejected by the automatic vote counting program. ABSTAIN
votes do not affect the vote outcome.  You may change your vote later by
voting again.  The votetaker will respond to received ballots with mail acks. 
Addresses and votes of all voters will be published in the vote results.  If
you wish to remove your vote and all indication that you have voted from the
final list, send a vote with CANCEL in each voting position. 
Standard Guidelines for voting apply.  One vote per person, no more than one
vote per account.  100 more YES votes than NO votes and twice as many YES
votes as NO votes are the requirements for group creation. 
Simple instructions: Delete everything above the top "-=-=-=-" line, delete
everything below the bottom "-=-=-=-" line.  Give your real name on the line
that asks for it.  For each group, place a YES or NO in the brackets next to
it to vote for or against it. 

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